{"language": "en", "segments": [{"text": " Hi, everyone. I'm so glad that you could join us. And greetings from a very, very", "start": 3.76, "stop": 8.38, "id": 0}, {"text": " cold and snowy Boston afternoon. My name is Jenny Rose Halperin and I am the", "start": 8.38, "stop": 15.16, "id": 1}, {"text": " executive director of Library Futures. And on behalf of my organization, Library", "start": 15.16, "stop": 20.76, "id": 2}, {"text": " Futures and the Internet Archive, we are beyond thrilled to welcome you to from", "start": 20.76, "stop": 26.56, "id": 3}, {"text": " owning to streaming the transition to digital media in education. I am", "start": 26.56, "stop": 33.06, "id": 4}, {"text": " sorry, I'm just moving something around. 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And I'm going to take a", "start": 123.32, "stop": 127.36, "id": 24}, {"text": " couple minutes to just introduce them.", "start": 127.36, "stop": 128.88, "id": 25}, {"text": " That's Rick Prellengar, chair and professor of film and digital media at UC Santa", "start": 135.08, "stop": 140.46, "id": 26}, {"text": " Cruz is a filmmaker, archivist, educator and writer. His archives of 60,000", "start": 140.46, "stop": 145.46, "id": 27}, {"text": " historical films was acquired by Library of Congress in 2002. And he continues to", "start": 145.46, "stop": 149.82, "id": 28}, {"text": " collect moving images and make them available on archive.org.", "start": 149.82, "stop": 152.34, "id": 29}, {"text": " So on the next slide, we have Kathleen de Laurenti, who is the art director", "start": 155.0, "stop": 161.84, "id": 30}, {"text": " of the Arthur Friedheim Library at the Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins", "start": 161.84, "stop": 165.6, "id": 31}, {"text": " University. 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Good evening,", "start": 237.42, "stop": 242.22, "id": 46}, {"text": " everybody, wherever you may be.", "start": 242.38, "stop": 244.01999999999998, "id": 47}, {"text": " For almost 90 years, going back really to the 1920s, educational media librarians", "start": 245.5, "stop": 251.34, "id": 48}, {"text": " were hunters and gatherers. They located and collected physical media, first", "start": 251.34, "stop": 256.22, "id": 49}, {"text": " films on reels, then video tapes and video discs later, DVDs and Blu-rays. Some", "start": 256.22, "stop": 262.8, "id": 50}, {"text": " collections were massive. Indiana University, for example, held over 50,000 film", "start": 262.8, "stop": 268.72, "id": 51}, {"text": " titles, many prints of some of them, and many collections reflected an", "start": 268.72, "stop": 273.12, "id": 52}, {"text": " imaginative and sometimes daring and often local sensibility. 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It's a good", "start": 347.2, "stop": 352.3, "id": 67}, {"text": " thing. But turning libraries into commercial age, into collection agents for", "start": 352.3, "stop": 357.2, "id": 68}, {"text": " commercial distributors, maybe not so much of a good thing. And it raises serious", "start": 357.2, "stop": 362.08, "id": 69}, {"text": " equity questions. Prohibitively high subscription fees for streaming media are", "start": 362.08, "stop": 368.38, "id": 70}, {"text": " forcing often underfunded institutions to cut other services. There are local and", "start": 368.38, "stop": 374.78, "id": 71}, {"text": " regional funding disparities that mean some libraries are able to offer more", "start": 374.78, "stop": 379.68, "id": 72}, {"text": " services than others. Media, periodicals, databases, and ebooks are now all", "start": 379.68, "stop": 385.28, "id": 73}, {"text": " offered via subscription models. And escalating prices threaten the 300-year-long", "start": 385.28, "stop": 391.64, "id": 74}, {"text": " public library tradition of equal access. How can public libraries and", "start": 391.64, "stop": 397.2, "id": 75}, {"text": " educational institutions retain the model that's over the door of the Boston", "start": 397.2, "stop": 401.36, "id": 76}, {"text": " Public Library free to all? Today's panelists are going to discuss this", "start": 401.36, "stop": 406.18, "id": 77}, {"text": " situation. And I hope proposed means of supporting makers and viewers alike", "start": 406.18, "stop": 411.48, "id": 78}, {"text": " without turning libraries into collection agents. We're hoping today", "start": 411.48, "stop": 417.86, "id": 79}, {"text": " to really begin by understanding where we are,", "start": 417.86, "stop": 424.52, "id": 80}, {"text": " looking at how the current system is broken, what might be what we need to look", "start": 424.62, "stop": 431.4, "id": 81}, {"text": " at, and how each institution and organization approaches these issues. Also, very", "start": 431.4, "stop": 438.2, "id": 82}, {"text": " much want to talk about how to support media makers, especially independents, at", "start": 438.2, "stop": 443.16, "id": 83}, {"text": " the same time that we support viewers. And then move from a sense of where we are", "start": 443.16, "stop": 448.02, "id": 84}, {"text": " to where we're going, what we think about what we'd like to build together, what", "start": 448.02, "stop": 452.9, "id": 85}, {"text": " do we feel that we need. So I'm wondering if", "start": 452.9, "stop": 459.74, "id": 86}, {"text": " each panelist could begin with sort of a brief sense of", "start": 459.74, "stop": 466.38, "id": 87}, {"text": " where we think we are and what you've perceived in the course of", "start": 466.38, "stop": 473.24, "id": 88}, {"text": " your work. And maybe we could begin with Kathleen Delorente. Thank", "start": 473.24, "stop": 479.66, "id": 89}, {"text": " you, Rick. And thank you, Jenny.", "start": 479.66, "stop": 481.36, "id": 90}, {"text": " I have been working with streaming media for 14 years now. It's kind of", "start": 482.08, "stop": 487.12, "id": 91}, {"text": " astounding to believe it's been this long. So I'm really excited that Library", "start": 487.12, "stop": 491.34, "id": 92}, {"text": " Futures and the Internet Archive have given us this opportunity to come together", "start": 491.34, "stop": 494.92, "id": 93}, {"text": " and talk about it. A lot of my work, even though I come from a background in", "start": 494.92, "stop": 499.86, "id": 94}, {"text": " music librarianship, happens in the scholarly communication space.", "start": 499.86, "stop": 502.58, "id": 95}, {"text": " And I often find myself the person in the corner saying, what about the people", "start": 503.08, "stop": 506.5, "id": 96}, {"text": " who aren't doing science? Especially in the university setting, so much of our", "start": 506.5, "stop": 511.22, "id": 97}, {"text": " work is focused on what's happening in the hard sciences and STEM, what's", "start": 511.22, "stop": 516.96, "id": 98}, {"text": " happening with scholarly publishing, how we're managing big deals and what the", "start": 516.96, "stop": 521.68, "id": 99}, {"text": " impacts are there on our traditions of publishing, how information is", "start": 521.68, "stop": 526.76, "id": 100}, {"text": " disseminated, and our library budgets too. But we've only recently even started", "start": 526.76, "stop": 530.96, "id": 101}, {"text": " talking about scholarly monographs in this context. So when we're talking about", "start": 530.96, "stop": 534.94, "id": 102}, {"text": " multimedia, it's been kind of out in the cold a little bit. So I'm hopeful that", "start": 534.94, "stop": 540.82, "id": 103}, {"text": " this will be the beginning of a conversation of pulling this really important", "start": 540.82, "stop": 545.62, "id": 104}, {"text": " cultural content back into the center of what we're thinking about in the context", "start": 545.62, "stop": 550.12, "id": 105}, {"text": " of all of our collections. So I think what I", "start": 550.12, "stop": 556.38, "id": 106}, {"text": " think has been a problem and a barrier to making that happen is, I think, the", "start": 556.38, "stop": 561.68, "id": 107}, {"text": " different motivations that we have for markets for this material. I think we have", "start": 561.68, "stop": 565.82, "id": 108}, {"text": " this very strong ideal in scientific publishing that that material is being", "start": 565.82, "stop": 571.48, "id": 109}, {"text": " researched and published to improve society and to make things better. It's", "start": 571.48, "stop": 576.68, "id": 110}, {"text": " largely grant funded nonprofit work that's happening, not exclusively, but that", "start": 576.68, "stop": 582.06, "id": 111}, {"text": " when we're talking about what's happening in the arts, even for our faculty, so", "start": 582.06, "stop": 585.16, "id": 112}, {"text": " for example, at my institution at Peabody, teaching is just a part of how all of", "start": 585.16, "stop": 591.6, "id": 113}, {"text": " the professional musicians here are earning their income and making a living. So", "start": 591.6, "stop": 595.3, "id": 114}, {"text": " being a part of the music industry is still a big part of their income and how", "start": 595.3, "stop": 601.16, "id": 115}, {"text": " they're making a living. And that's a big difference that we have when we're", "start": 601.16, "stop": 604.04, "id": 116}, {"text": " talking about publishing and how we're going to support these different systems", "start": 604.04, "stop": 606.76, "id": 117}, {"text": " and how we think about access and preservation and these systems and what makes,", "start": 606.76, "stop": 610.6, "id": 118}, {"text": " I think, our media systems a little bit more closed off sometimes. And I think", "start": 610.7, "stop": 616.84, "id": 119}, {"text": " that we have different realities. I've been talking a little bit about big deals", "start": 616.84, "stop": 621.62, "id": 120}, {"text": " and what big deals look like for media and how they exist, but they're very", "start": 621.62, "stop": 625.48, "id": 121}, {"text": " different in the places where there's friction in the system are different than", "start": 625.48, "stop": 629.06, "id": 122}, {"text": " what we're seeing in university libraries with academic research and scholarship", "start": 629.06, "stop": 633.56, "id": 123}, {"text": " that we're trying to preserve and make available as well. So I think that the", "start": 633.56, "stop": 639.32, "id": 124}, {"text": " reality of the way that the markets work means that sometimes not only", "start": 639.32, "stop": 645.72, "id": 125}, {"text": " are libraries not a priority as a market for media and film distributors,", "start": 645.72, "stop": 651.98, "id": 126}, {"text": " but they're also sometimes seen as a threat. Seen as a threat to their one-to-one", "start": 652.88, "stop": 658.96, "id": 127}, {"text": " relationships with consumers in the market, and I think that that creates a", "start": 658.96, "stop": 662.28, "id": 128}, {"text": " different kind of friction between our organizations that we're trying to", "start": 662.28, "stop": 666.7, "id": 129}, {"text": " navigate in this space. When I think about my experiences, I feel like music has", "start": 666.7, "stop": 672.02, "id": 130}, {"text": " been a little bit of a canary in the coal mine throughout the history of my", "start": 672.02, "stop": 675.08, "id": 131}, {"text": " career. MP3s are smaller technology and they travel over the internets faster. We", "start": 675.08, "stop": 681.04, "id": 132}, {"text": " had the pirating of Napster long before we had pirating of HBO television shows.", "start": 681.04, "stop": 685.2, "id": 133}, {"text": " So I think that what's been really interesting as I've been involved in this", "start": 685.92, "stop": 689.48, "id": 134}, {"text": " space is, you know, when I first became a librarian, we were in the corner", "start": 689.48, "stop": 693.14, "id": 135}, {"text": " saying, hey, we have all these releases that are iTunes only that are governed by", "start": 693.14, "stop": 696.74, "id": 136}, {"text": " Ulysses and we can't purchase them. They're being distributed across individual", "start": 696.74, "stop": 700.94, "id": 137}, {"text": " computers and devices all over the world, but they are not in any libraries. What", "start": 700.94, "stop": 705.02, "id": 138}, {"text": " do we even do about this? And we've seen this whole kind of crest and shift and", "start": 705.02, "stop": 710.36, "id": 139}, {"text": " change in the environment around music to create almost frictionless access to", "start": 710.36, "stop": 714.84, "id": 140}, {"text": " just about anything you want to listen to in the world. Not everything, but a lot", "start": 714.84, "stop": 718.14, "id": 141}, {"text": " of it. And iTunes has now announced its demise. We won't have iTunes", "start": 718.14, "stop": 724.94, "id": 142}, {"text": " anymore. And I found this year that a lot of major releases are now actually", "start": 724.94, "stop": 728.64, "id": 143}, {"text": " selling MP3s. So we have people like Olivia Rodrigo, little nazx, where you can", "start": 728.64, "stop": 733.34, "id": 144}, {"text": " go to their website, buy the album as an MP3, download it, and I", "start": 733.34, "stop": 736.6, "id": 145}, {"text": " cannot find a trace of a Yula anywhere.", "start": 736.6, "stop": 738.2, "id": 146}, {"text": " Some of these platforms have lighter Yulas, it seems like, than what we're used", "start": 739.2, "stop": 742.38, "id": 147}, {"text": " to seeing with iTunes. So I think that we're seeing some shift there. And I think", "start": 742.38, "stop": 746.96, "id": 148}, {"text": " the reason we're seeing that shift is because there's still a market there for", "start": 746.96, "stop": 749.98, "id": 149}, {"text": " purchasing this content that these rights holders recognize, but they're also", "start": 749.98, "stop": 754.7, "id": 150}, {"text": " more focused on the investment in streaming access, which is more ubiquitous and", "start": 754.7, "stop": 759.74, "id": 151}, {"text": " I think in many ways more convenient and more used in many of our communities for", "start": 759.74, "stop": 764.7, "id": 152}, {"text": " all of those reasons, which are great. But we're now seeing this opening of the", "start": 764.7, "stop": 769.24, "id": 153}, {"text": " door, this crack in the door that's allowing libraries to get back to the", "start": 769.24, "stop": 772.06, "id": 154}, {"text": " business of what we do with this content in a way we haven't been able to do", "start": 772.06, "stop": 775.3, "id": 155}, {"text": " since about 2004. So I think that that's actually a really exciting turn", "start": 775.3, "stop": 782.2, "id": 156}, {"text": " of events and I'm curious to see how that's going to change on the film side,", "start": 782.2, "stop": 787.38, "id": 157}, {"text": " which I think has always been a little bit different and historically a lot less", "start": 787.4, "stop": 792.12, "id": 158}, {"text": " accessible in general. I mean, I remember my first video store and if you wanted", "start": 792.12, "stop": 796.16, "id": 159}, {"text": " to go in and buy a VHS that was like $150, which for most people in the consumer", "start": 796.16, "stop": 801.22, "id": 160}, {"text": " market was not really accessible.", "start": 801.22, "stop": 803.56, "id": 161}, {"text": " So I think that we're seeing technology maturing in a way for libraries and", "start": 804.98, "stop": 809.24, "id": 162}, {"text": " institutions that we can be in these spaces a little bit differently than we have", "start": 809.24, "stop": 813.74, "id": 163}, {"text": " before. So I think we have more opportunities and I think that we have more", "start": 813.74, "stop": 818.66, "id": 164}, {"text": " responsibility to be thinking about this content and what our role is in these", "start": 818.66, "stop": 822.3, "id": 165}, {"text": " marketplaces and which voices are amplified, which content is being curated and", "start": 822.3, "stop": 827.18, "id": 166}, {"text": " how we're collecting and doing all of these things in a space where many people", "start": 827.18, "stop": 831.48, "id": 167}, {"text": " in our community have Netflix. So maybe we've been focused on access for so long.", "start": 831.48, "stop": 836.42, "id": 168}, {"text": " I think that there's now opportunities for us to think about how access plays", "start": 836.54, "stop": 840.36, "id": 169}, {"text": " into our larger role as cultural institutions.", "start": 840.36, "stop": 842.96, "id": 170}, {"text": " So I'm really excited for this conversation today and I'm very excited to share", "start": 843.7, "stop": 848.24, "id": 171}, {"text": " the space with my fellow panelists because I think that they're going to have", "start": 848.24, "stop": 851.02, "id": 172}, {"text": " some really wonderful contributions and insights from both an educator's", "start": 851.02, "stop": 855.46, "id": 173}, {"text": " perspective and the film and content distributor side so that we can think", "start": 855.46, "stop": 859.24, "id": 174}, {"text": " holistically about how we can work together to move things forward.", "start": 859.24, "stop": 861.9, "id": 175}, {"text": " Thanks so much Kathleen for introducing a breeze of optimism and possibility", "start": 863.54, "stop": 869.8, "id": 176}, {"text": " into the conversation and also for mentioning that moving images possibly because", "start": 870.5, "stop": 874.92, "id": 177}, {"text": " of their connection with Hollywood in some ways tend to often be treated a little", "start": 874.92, "stop": 879.86, "id": 178}, {"text": " bit differently than some other media forms. I'm just flagging these as issues to", "start": 879.86, "stop": 884.2, "id": 179}, {"text": " discuss in a moment, but I'd like to toss to Professor", "start": 884.2, "stop": 891.02, "id": 180}, {"text": " Chris Paulson from Ohio State to talk a little bit about her perspectives.", "start": 891.02, "stop": 896.28, "id": 181}, {"text": " Hi, so I'm going to be talking as someone from the position of an educator and", "start": 897.64, "stop": 901.62, "id": 182}, {"text": " someone who's thinking about students particularly and", "start": 901.62, "stop": 904.5, "id": 183}, {"text": " the kind of content we can give to them.", "start": 904.5, "stop": 906.06, "id": 184}, {"text": " And so I am speaking from this position I want to acknowledge of a lot of", "start": 907.12, "stop": 911.4, "id": 185}, {"text": " privilege as someone who teaches at a large public research university with a", "start": 911.4, "stop": 915.1, "id": 186}, {"text": " huge amount of resources and a really incredible library staff and larger", "start": 915.1, "stop": 920.14, "id": 187}, {"text": " administrative staff who has helped us navigate these kind of new issues and", "start": 920.14, "stop": 924.72, "id": 188}, {"text": " problems. But I also wanted to talk about you know what it's like to teach within", "start": 924.72, "stop": 929.44, "id": 189}, {"text": " these contexts and some of the ways in which the move towards streaming media has", "start": 929.44, "stop": 934.56, "id": 190}, {"text": " put a strain on students and teachers around issues of equity and inclusion. And", "start": 934.56, "stop": 941.18, "id": 191}, {"text": " these are all factors and trends that existed before the pandemic but which have", "start": 941.18, "stop": 944.3, "id": 192}, {"text": " been emphasized I think by our massive and rapid shift toward online teaching", "start": 944.3, "stop": 948.48, "id": 193}, {"text": " over the last two years. And online teaching has produced particular issues for", "start": 948.48, "stop": 953.9, "id": 194}, {"text": " students and teachers of cinema, ones that aren't always apparent I think to some", "start": 953.9, "stop": 957.58, "id": 195}, {"text": " of our colleagues even in very closely adjacent fields. So just thinking about", "start": 957.58, "stop": 962.62, "id": 196}, {"text": " content off the bat, I've been teaching introductory film studies courses at Ohio", "start": 962.62, "stop": 968.78, "id": 197}, {"text": " State for about 12 years and over this period we've moved gradually from showing", "start": 968.78, "stop": 974.78, "id": 198}, {"text": " classes in film, on film when I was a student, but in class showing the films and", "start": 974.78, "stop": 981.3, "id": 199}, {"text": " to streaming them online as homework. And earlier when we started streaming this", "start": 981.3, "stop": 986.02, "id": 200}, {"text": " had happened through secure media library sites where students had special access", "start": 986.02, "stop": 991.72, "id": 201}, {"text": " where you that you had to renew bi-weekly and two-factor authentication to get", "start": 991.72, "stop": 995.66, "id": 202}, {"text": " into the sites. And the system over time and with some pressure has given way to", "start": 995.66, "stop": 1000.3, "id": 203}, {"text": " subscription-based streaming services like Canopy and Swank and these are really", "start": 1000.3, "stop": 1004.3, "id": 204}, {"text": " incredible resources. However, they're not terribly inclusive when it comes to", "start": 1004.3, "stop": 1008.64, "id": 205}, {"text": " work by directors of color and films from the developing world in particular. For", "start": 1008.64, "stop": 1013.04, "id": 206}, {"text": " example, the Criterion Collection which is considered the gold standard of film", "start": 1013.04, "stop": 1018.68, "id": 207}, {"text": " collections to teach from and holds hundreds and hundreds of titles comes as part", "start": 1018.68, "stop": 1023.51, "id": 208}, {"text": " of Canopy which my university subscribes to, but it has only a very small", "start": 1023.51, "stop": 1026.99, "id": 209}, {"text": " selection of films from let's say South and Central America or from Africa. I", "start": 1026.99, "stop": 1031.29, "id": 210}, {"text": " looked this morning and I think there's only three African films and they're all", "start": 1031.29, "stop": 1035.87, "id": 211}, {"text": " from Senegal. So if you're looking to teach a kind of global media course", "start": 1035.87, "stop": 1042.35, "id": 212}, {"text": " there can be some real severe limitations and even if you're looking at American", "start": 1042.35, "stop": 1047.05, "id": 213}, {"text": " film there was a 2020 article in the New York Times that went into this showing", "start": 1047.05, "stop": 1051.47, "id": 214}, {"text": " how Criterion only had four directors in its collection that were African", "start": 1051.47, "stop": 1054.73, "id": 215}, {"text": "-American and this is you know of more than a thousand films. And so while this is", "start": 1054.73, "stop": 1059.73, "id": 216}, {"text": " an incredible resource to teach from it's very limiting when it comes to non", "start": 1059.73, "stop": 1064.41, "id": 217}, {"text": "-western and diverse directors. So even in films that do come from outside of", "start": 1064.41, "stop": 1069.99, "id": 218}, {"text": " Europe and the United States they're primarily films that have been embraced by", "start": 1069.99, "stop": 1073.87, "id": 219}, {"text": " western audiences. So if you are looking to teach a class that represents what's", "start": 1073.87, "stop": 1078.65, "id": 220}, {"text": " important to local communities and audiences that come from those national", "start": 1078.65, "stop": 1082.19, "id": 221}, {"text": " regions that you're talking about it can be really kind of you can get hamstrung", "start": 1082.19, "stop": 1087.63, "id": 222}, {"text": " trying to do this. And I know that this is something that a lot of my colleagues", "start": 1087.63, "stop": 1091.41, "id": 223}, {"text": " who teach non-western traditions you know encounter all the time. And so when", "start": 1091.41, "stop": 1097.61, "id": 224}, {"text": " I've taught a film that is unavailable to teach through any of these subscription", "start": 1097.61, "stop": 1101.15, "id": 225}, {"text": " services I'm sometimes told to just substitute another film and I understand why", "start": 1101.15, "stop": 1105.65, "id": 226}, {"text": " this is a very logical and apparently simple solution. If I want to teach a", "start": 1105.65, "stop": 1110.13, "id": 227}, {"text": " Brazilian film then I should just use the one that we have available and that's a", "start": 1110.13, "stop": 1114.33, "id": 228}, {"text": " simple substitution. But despite my own kind of personal attachments and", "start": 1114.33, "stop": 1118.25, "id": 229}, {"text": " interests of particular films there's programmatic reasons why this just doesn't", "start": 1118.25, "stop": 1122.15, "id": 230}, {"text": " work that I sometimes find it's very hard to communicate to the people who are", "start": 1122.15, "stop": 1125.81, "id": 231}, {"text": " asking us to make these adjustments. For example like a lot of people who teach", "start": 1125.81, "stop": 1130.11, "id": 232}, {"text": " introductory film courses I teach one that attempts to be a broad strokes", "start": 1130.11, "stop": 1134.15, "id": 233}, {"text": " introduction to the history of cinema it's technical aesthetic and social", "start": 1134.15, "stop": 1137.47, "id": 234}, {"text": " development that touches on as many parts of the globe as possible in 15 weeks", "start": 1137.47, "stop": 1142.29, "id": 235}, {"text": " and this is a very challenging thing to do. So every film plays multiple roles in", "start": 1142.29, "stop": 1149.11, "id": 236}, {"text": " supporting that story and can't easily be switched out. For example Charles", "start": 1149.11, "stop": 1155.43, "id": 237}, {"text": " Burnett's Killer of Sheep which is a film that I love and I love teaching allows", "start": 1155.43, "stop": 1159.23, "id": 238}, {"text": " me to talk about Black American traditions in filmmaking but also the rise of", "start": 1159.23, "stop": 1162.53, "id": 239}, {"text": " film schools and independent filmmaking outside of Hollywood as well as the", "start": 1162.53, "stop": 1165.99, "id": 240}, {"text": " global scope of neorealism as a tradition and it allows me importantly to discuss", "start": 1165.99, "stop": 1170.49, "id": 241}, {"text": " how copyright affects distribution and access in cinema since this film famously", "start": 1170.49, "stop": 1174.93, "id": 242}, {"text": " languished in obscurity for about 30 years after an initial kind of overwhelming", "start": 1174.93, "stop": 1179.73, "id": 243}, {"text": " critical reception because of its complicated music licensing rights and how", "start": 1179.73, "stop": 1183.71, "id": 244}, {"text": " that's tied into diegetic sound. So every film is doing so many things in a", "start": 1183.71, "stop": 1188.15, "id": 245}, {"text": " syllabus that taking one out can kind of collapse some of that structure or can't", "start": 1188.15, "stop": 1193.81, "id": 246}, {"text": " easily be substituted with something else and I want to talk too about student", "start": 1193.81, "stop": 1197.83, "id": 247}, {"text": " access and equity and inclusion issues that arise in this way. Many films", "start": 1197.83, "stop": 1202.43, "id": 248}, {"text": " particularly Hollywood and American films that aren't available through these", "start": 1202.43, "stop": 1205.49, "id": 249}, {"text": " library subscription services are available on iTunes or Netflix and it's become", "start": 1205.49, "stop": 1210.77, "id": 250}, {"text": " really commonplace to assume that all of our students have access to these kinds", "start": 1210.77, "stop": 1214.03, "id": 251}, {"text": " of subscriptions and that anything that's on Prime or Netflix we can", "start": 1214.03, "stop": 1220.75, "id": 252}, {"text": " assign and essentially no additional cost to a student or that if they do have to", "start": 1220.75, "stop": 1226.13, "id": 253}, {"text": " rent something from iTunes the rental costs are low two or three dollars so", "start": 1226.13, "stop": 1230.47, "id": 254}, {"text": " that's not something to factor in for students. But of course if you teach film", "start": 1230.47, "stop": 1235.19, "id": 255}, {"text": " you know that you don't just want to film once you rewatch it over and over again", "start": 1235.19, "stop": 1238.33, "id": 256}, {"text": " and especially when you have to write papers later and so you're not actually", "start": 1238.33, "stop": 1242.31, "id": 257}, {"text": " asking them to just rent something once but perhaps to purchase those films and", "start": 1242.31, "stop": 1246.89, "id": 258}, {"text": " so if you're teaching a class on say Alfred Hitchcock whose films aren't very", "start": 1246.89, "stop": 1251.07, "id": 259}, {"text": " available in some of those streaming services and you're assigning 10 or more", "start": 1251.07, "stop": 1255.39, "id": 260}, {"text": " films over the course of a semester that might add up to being more than a", "start": 1255.39, "stop": 1258.95, "id": 261}, {"text": " hundred dollars for students and I've learned that you can't assume that students", "start": 1258.95, "stop": 1264.41, "id": 262}, {"text": " have access to credit cards or to the financial resources to pay in those ways", "start": 1264.41, "stop": 1270.09, "id": 263}, {"text": " and so it makes film studies you know a cumbersome discipline you know that can", "start": 1270.09, "stop": 1274.97, "id": 264}, {"text": " only be for people that are financially kind of secure. It's also the case that", "start": 1274.97, "stop": 1279.95, "id": 265}, {"text": " hard to find films like Charles Burnett's Killer of Sheep which for many years", "start": 1279.95, "stop": 1283.79, "id": 266}, {"text": " was only streaming through its distributor. Having students go directly to a", "start": 1283.79, "stop": 1289.37, "id": 267}, {"text": " distributor to set up a new account for renting and enter a credit card put in", "start": 1289.37, "stop": 1292.97, "id": 268}, {"text": " some extra hurdles that made that the film that students were most likely to skip", "start": 1292.97, "stop": 1296.73, "id": 269}, {"text": " and so we're having kind of they all watched Citizen Kane", "start": 1296.73, "stop": 1303.51, "id": 270}, {"text": " because it was so easily available to them and so we're seeing that you know", "start": 1303.51, "stop": 1309.81, "id": 271}, {"text": " these assumptions around students financial access to these sites I think can", "start": 1309.81, "stop": 1316.03, "id": 272}, {"text": " have big effects on what they actually see and what we can teach them. The last", "start": 1316.03, "stop": 1321.25, "id": 273}, {"text": " piece I want to add I think is the least important piece but it's one that's been", "start": 1321.25, "stop": 1324.97, "id": 274}, {"text": " keenly felt by educators especially in this online teaching moment in the", "start": 1324.97, "stop": 1329.13, "id": 275}, {"text": " pandemic. We all know that the film's available on library subscription services", "start": 1329.13, "stop": 1334.01, "id": 276}, {"text": " and through Netflix and Amazon and things like that in particular aren't stable", "start": 1334.01, "stop": 1337.33, "id": 277}, {"text": " and they can disappear without much notice so if you're relying on one of these", "start": 1337.33, "stop": 1341.67, "id": 278}, {"text": " services you can find yourself in a difficult position of scrambling to produce", "start": 1341.67, "stop": 1345.37, "id": 279}, {"text": " new lectures or contents on very short notice and we've all spent the last few", "start": 1345.37, "stop": 1351.07, "id": 280}, {"text": " years investing so much of our time and labor in creation of online classes that", "start": 1351.07, "stop": 1355.09, "id": 281}, {"text": " the sudden disappearance of the film might cause things to to fall apart", "start": 1355.09, "stop": 1359.17, "id": 282}, {"text": " especially if you have recorded lectures and you refer back to it in other weeks", "start": 1359.17, "stop": 1364.29, "id": 283}, {"text": " you know there can be a chain effect of removing a piece of one of your materials", "start": 1364.29, "stop": 1370.55, "id": 284}, {"text": " and so I think for most of us the last two years have been quite draining as", "start": 1371.17, "stop": 1375.33, "id": 285}, {"text": " educators as for everyone and to have the courses that we've produced become so", "start": 1375.33, "stop": 1380.13, "id": 286}, {"text": " precarious is really unnerving especially as often these classes are not overseen", "start": 1380.13, "stop": 1385.17, "id": 287}, {"text": " by the professors that make them but are handed off to graduate student workers", "start": 1385.17, "stop": 1389.87, "id": 288}, {"text": " or to instructors or other contingent forms of employment who aren't paid or", "start": 1389.87, "stop": 1395.17, "id": 289}, {"text": " prepared necessarily to deal with these kind of catastrophic losses of content", "start": 1395.17, "stop": 1400.13, "id": 290}, {"text": " and so I think there's you know a whole variety of issues where teaching cinema", "start": 1400.13, "stop": 1406.65, "id": 291}, {"text": " has become something where we really have to think about how these online", "start": 1406.65, "stop": 1412.39, "id": 292}, {"text": " services and in some cases their precarity are affecting you know what our", "start": 1412.39, "stop": 1415.79, "id": 293}, {"text": " students can do and how we support them so I'll hand that off now.", "start": 1415.79, "stop": 1420.63, "id": 294}, {"text": " Thanks so much and thanks for foregrounding the perspective of students. I think", "start": 1421.61, "stop": 1426.63, "id": 295}, {"text": " that sometimes commercial vendors and sometimes also high-level managers tend to", "start": 1426.63, "stop": 1432.93, "id": 296}, {"text": " view users of these services in very abstract terms and your", "start": 1432.93, "stop": 1437.71, "id": 297}, {"text": " concrete description of what students face I think is", "start": 1437.71, "stop": 1444.41, "id": 298}, {"text": " really really important to keep in mind. I'd like now to ask Dr. Courtney Cook", "start": 1444.41, "stop": 1450.69, "id": 299}, {"text": " from POV American documentary for your thoughts.", "start": 1450.69, "stop": 1456.65, "id": 300}, {"text": " Yes thank you Rick. I'm unmuted okay hi everyone thank you Rick.", "start": 1458.77, "stop": 1464.33, "id": 301}, {"text": " I want to echo something that Chris said which is like when I think about where", "start": 1465.27, "stop": 1468.77, "id": 302}, {"text": " are we now we're well we're two years into an ongoing global pandemic where", "start": 1468.77, "stop": 1473.29, "id": 303}, {"text": " educators are really working very hard and doubling down to try to serve their", "start": 1473.29, "stop": 1479.53, "id": 304}, {"text": " students as best they can and importantly I think when access is a major", "start": 1479.53, "stop": 1485.89, "id": 305}, {"text": " determining factor of curriculum then it begs a lot of questions for education", "start": 1485.89, "stop": 1490.11, "id": 306}, {"text": " and the purpose of education. I enter this conversation from a different angle. I", "start": 1490.11, "stop": 1494.63, "id": 307}, {"text": " was a public high school teacher for a long time and so I do think about", "start": 1494.63, "stop": 1498.13, "id": 308}, {"text": " curriculum development. I think about designing courses, delivering the material", "start": 1498.13, "stop": 1504.35, "id": 309}, {"text": " to my students, and finishing my PhD it was in cultural studies and education so", "start": 1504.35, "stop": 1510.19, "id": 310}, {"text": " I was studying the social political historical context of neoliberal universities", "start": 1510.19, "stop": 1514.99, "id": 311}, {"text": " and so yes we're two years into an ongoing global pandemic but we're still", "start": 1514.99, "stop": 1518.83, "id": 312}, {"text": " working in neoliberal institutions that determine access in very real ways and", "start": 1518.83, "stop": 1525.25, "id": 313}, {"text": " the values of the market are the logic of schooling and so I think when we bring", "start": 1525.25, "stop": 1529.67, "id": 314}, {"text": " these perspectives also into considering teaching and providing our students", "start": 1529.67, "stop": 1536.51, "id": 315}, {"text": " with quality curriculum a syllabus that tells a story that", "start": 1536.51, "stop": 1543.35, "id": 316}, {"text": " broadens understanding that deepens understanding that really transforms the kind", "start": 1543.35, "stop": 1547.19, "id": 317}, {"text": " of transformative education we aspire towards in classrooms. Now", "start": 1547.19, "stop": 1551.15, "id": 318}, {"text": " we're trying to do it digitally.", "start": 1551.15, "stop": 1552.73, "id": 319}, {"text": " There are a lot of questions about access that are new now that we have to ask", "start": 1554.45, "stop": 1559.27, "id": 320}, {"text": " and that we're confronted with. I'm working currently at American Documentary POV", "start": 1559.27, "stop": 1564.69, "id": 321}, {"text": " which is at the intersection of public media, independent we support independent", "start": 1564.69, "stop": 1568.81, "id": 322}, {"text": " documentary filmmakers and you know before COVID and working for public media is", "start": 1568.81, "stop": 1575.23, "id": 323}, {"text": " a part of my politics, working at public schools is a part of my politics and I", "start": 1575.23, "stop": 1578.51, "id": 324}, {"text": " think as we move through this pandemic, as we move deeper into like however", "start": 1578.51, "stop": 1584.33, "id": 325}, {"text": " neoliberal values are going to structure literally every aspect of our life,", "start": 1584.33, "stop": 1587.91, "id": 326}, {"text": " there has to be a deep commitment to publics and to somehow resuscitating", "start": 1589.39, "stop": 1595.41, "id": 327}, {"text": " whatever publics mean and to me that does mean free access period", "start": 1595.41, "stop": 1601.67, "id": 328}, {"text": " particularly when it comes to education.", "start": 1601.67, "stop": 1603.95, "id": 329}, {"text": " We do not see this model being played out particularly in higher education but", "start": 1604.25, "stop": 1607.95, "id": 330}, {"text": " working with PBS, working with POV, it is a bright spot of trying to support", "start": 1607.95, "stop": 1614.05, "id": 331}, {"text": " educators. I work with educators, I work with public librarians, activist", "start": 1614.05, "stop": 1617.35, "id": 332}, {"text": " scholars and in support of the independent documentary filmmakers to bring these", "start": 1617.35, "stop": 1622.75, "id": 333}, {"text": " films into classrooms across the country for free, to bring resources to support", "start": 1622.75, "stop": 1627.07, "id": 334}, {"text": " teachers in dialogues around these social documentaries and these critical issues", "start": 1627.07, "stop": 1632.47, "id": 335}, {"text": " for free. It's a hard model, it's a small organization, it's public media", "start": 1632.47, "stop": 1638.11, "id": 336}, {"text": " in a neoliberal world so you know it's a lot of work as we're probably going to", "start": 1638.11, "stop": 1644.05, "id": 337}, {"text": " talk about today but I think it's really helped shape some of my thoughts around", "start": 1644.05, "stop": 1649.95, "id": 338}, {"text": " what is actually possible and what could be a sustainable model and for me the", "start": 1649.95, "stop": 1655.83, "id": 339}, {"text": " key kind of always comes back to the space of publics and shared publics and", "start": 1655.83, "stop": 1660.27, "id": 340}, {"text": " keeping those alive.", "start": 1660.27, "stop": 1661.95, "id": 341}, {"text": " Thank you for that emphasis on public space, public values in", "start": 1666.77, "stop": 1673.75, "id": 342}, {"text": " a period where everything seems to be increasingly enclosed.", "start": 1673.75, "stop": 1679.63, "id": 343}, {"text": " Again that's a strain that I hope can percolate throughout our thinking for the", "start": 1683.21, "stop": 1687.71, "id": 344}, {"text": " rest of this event. It seems as if people are talking on the one hand about", "start": 1687.71, "stop": 1693.89, "id": 345}, {"text": " individual solutions that sometimes are hacks, sometimes are ingenious ways", "start": 1693.89, "stop": 1700.71, "id": 346}, {"text": " of working locally or you know at their institution or with students and then", "start": 1700.71, "stop": 1705.39, "id": 347}, {"text": " there's also sort of systemic solutions. There's a big gap between there.", "start": 1705.39, "stop": 1710.43, "id": 348}, {"text": " I'm kind of wondering in a way could we turn the clock back, could we understand", "start": 1711.79, "stop": 1717.93, "id": 349}, {"text": " how we got where we are and then from there begin to scheme", "start": 1717.93, "stop": 1724.55, "id": 350}, {"text": " what sorts of remedies we might want to put in effect and you know what's", "start": 1724.55, "stop": 1731.07, "id": 351}, {"text": " in a sense how can we make that educational mission more robust, how can", "start": 1731.07, "stop": 1737.97, "id": 352}, {"text": " we guarantee that in a media driven age that media is available up to students", "start": 1737.97, "stop": 1744.21, "id": 353}, {"text": " and community members who need it. Does anybody want to sort of", "start": 1744.21, "stop": 1749.13, "id": 354}, {"text": " walk the cat back a little bit?", "start": 1749.13, "stop": 1750.65, "id": 355}, {"text": " Or is my question painfully abstract? It may very well be. Let me see, I can now", "start": 1760.71, "stop": 1767.17, "id": 356}, {"text": " see all of you here. I guess another way of thinking about this is that", "start": 1767.17, "stop": 1773.87, "id": 357}, {"text": " the current system which is licensing based and based on billable events claims", "start": 1773.87, "stop": 1780.87, "id": 358}, {"text": " to be more, claims to compensate makers for the work that they do and I think", "start": 1780.87, "stop": 1787.63, "id": 359}, {"text": " all of us want to make sure that independent media especially has a means of", "start": 1787.63, "stop": 1793.83, "id": 360}, {"text": " existence that it can survive, that makers can survive and I would be very", "start": 1793.83, "stop": 1797.99, "id": 361}, {"text": " interested in all of your thoughts on what that how we might better strike that", "start": 1797.99, "stop": 1804.07, "id": 362}, {"text": " balance rather than sending big checks to corporations that sit in the middle.", "start": 1804.07, "stop": 1809.77, "id": 363}, {"text": " And please feel free to chime in our panelists.", "start": 1812.91, "stop": 1818.49, "id": 364}, {"text": " I think that there's a couple of issues at play with this Rick with your first", "start": 1822.15, "stop": 1827.07, "id": 365}, {"text": " question what I thought initially was just especially with film in particular the", "start": 1827.07, "stop": 1832.57, "id": 366}, {"text": " complexity of the licensing landscape on the filmmaking side which", "start": 1832.57, "stop": 1839.47, "id": 367}, {"text": " gets more complex the bigger the institutions and organizations involved has made", "start": 1839.47, "stop": 1844.47, "id": 368}, {"text": " it traditionally really hard for us as we've transitioned into a digital space to", "start": 1844.47, "stop": 1849.79, "id": 369}, {"text": " work with rights holders in many cases we don't know who they are.", "start": 1849.79, "stop": 1854.17, "id": 370}, {"text": " You're looking at the Paste magazine article about the Netflix DVDs and saying", "start": 1854.55, "stop": 1858.61, "id": 371}, {"text": " how we're not seeing any depth coming up of little known films or films that you", "start": 1858.61, "stop": 1864.43, "id": 372}, {"text": " know maybe have been neglected or content that's been marginalized oftentimes", "start": 1864.43, "stop": 1868.31, "id": 373}, {"text": " that comes back to a copyright question there's not a rights holder available", "start": 1868.31, "stop": 1872.03, "id": 374}, {"text": " anymore for Amazon Prime to get in touch with to say we want to put this in our", "start": 1872.03, "stop": 1876.43, "id": 375}, {"text": " space or the rights holder who's controlling distribution right now only has this", "start": 1876.43, "stop": 1881.59, "id": 376}, {"text": " for a limited amount of time and only certain jurisdictions and maybe they they", "start": 1881.59, "stop": 1886.39, "id": 377}, {"text": " can license this film to Europe but not to the United States and it's a", "start": 1886.39, "stop": 1889.55, "id": 378}, {"text": " film that was made in South Africa.", "start": 1889.55, "stop": 1891.05, "id": 379}, {"text": " So I think those complications make things really hard when we're talking about a", "start": 1891.81, "stop": 1896.75, "id": 380}, {"text": " licensing-based system and I think that it's a real it really spotlights the need", "start": 1896.75, "stop": 1902.79, "id": 381}, {"text": " for a pathway to digital sale of digital content for organizations whose mission", "start": 1902.79, "stop": 1908.25, "id": 382}, {"text": " is not just for access today but to think about access a hundred years from now", "start": 1908.25, "stop": 1912.91, "id": 383}, {"text": " 150 years from now and those of us working with music remember the great Warner", "start": 1912.91, "stop": 1916.99, "id": 384}, {"text": " warehouse burn down of 2008 where 40,000 master sound recordings are gone forever", "start": 1916.99, "stop": 1922.55, "id": 385}, {"text": " so I think that there's a real need for us to think about what's", "start": 1923.39, "stop": 1928.87, "id": 386}, {"text": " the long-term role that we can that we can come in and provide service for these", "start": 1928.87, "stop": 1934.85, "id": 387}, {"text": " organizations in some ways that might be able to work alongside other modes of", "start": 1934.85, "stop": 1939.65, "id": 388}, {"text": " access that they feel are a priority for them right now.", "start": 1939.65, "stop": 1943.49, "id": 389}, {"text": " As by the way we've seen in other media where libraries can purchase perpetual", "start": 1946.17, "stop": 1950.05, "id": 390}, {"text": " access to let's say a serials database. 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"stop": 2730.85, "id": 545}, {"text": " public media do it again for this kind of political alignment of the publics and", "start": 2730.85, "stop": 2735.21, "id": 546}, {"text": " in one way I think that we can support these filmmakers is by being in solidarity", "start": 2735.21, "stop": 2740.53, "id": 547}, {"text": " along the political lines of the public of saying like yes this is this is a", "start": 2740.53, "stop": 2746.95, "id": 548}, {"text": " valuable space worthy of supporting and I don't really believe in like", "start": 2746.95, "stop": 2752.47, "id": 549}, {"text": " individualized solutions right but you know thanks to viewers like you I have a", "start": 2752.47, "stop": 2756.73, "id": 550}, {"text": " job so you know I think like really considering the role of the very few", "start": 2756.73, "stop": 2762.53, "id": 551}, {"text": " publics that we have public libraries public schools um public media public parks", "start": 2763.9500000000003, "stop": 2770.53, "id": 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permanence and we are", "start": 2814.23, "stop": 2819.91, "id": 560}, {"text": " thinking about things that aren't going to disappear and I know even with public", "start": 2819.91, "stop": 2822.83, "id": 561}, {"text": " media that licensing question sometimes crops up where we can't offer this", "start": 2822.83, "stop": 2827.63, "id": 562}, {"text": " through POV anymore that license is expired we couldn't renew it we couldn't I", "start": 2827.63, "stop": 2831.43, "id": 563}, {"text": " mean are there are there ways that you see forward that could bolster investment", "start": 2831.43, "stop": 2838.33, "id": 564}, {"text": " from institutions like ours that might help shift the realities of how that", "start": 2838.33, "stop": 2843.37, "id": 565}, {"text": " licensing piece is working right now like how can we make work together to start", "start": 2843.37, "stop": 2848.27, "id": 566}, {"text": " making some of this happen well I cannot answer these questions because I'm not", 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"id": 574}, {"text": " sometimes put them in touch with the filmmaker I mean it feels like 1988 um in", "start": 2886.55, "stop": 2892.59, "id": 575}, {"text": " some some ways however it also feels right like the like a promising way", "start": 2892.59, "stop": 2899.53, "id": 576}, {"text": " forward and I can't answer questions about like investment or licensing because", "start": 2899.53, "stop": 2904.93, "id": 577}, {"text": " again you know we're working with independent artists that we also want to", "start": 2904.93, "stop": 2909.81, "id": 578}, {"text": " support their success as filmmakers um and diversifying the field the field of", "start": 2909.81, "stop": 2913.75, "id": 579}, {"text": " documentary filmmaking so I can't really answer that question um", "start": 2913.75, "stop": 2917.83, "id": 580}, {"text": " I don't think I can answer that but I can encourage all of you to like not", "start": 2920.95, "stop": 2927.73, "id": 581}, {"text": " not not reach out to me because I think there are many people in this webinar um", "start": 2927.73, "stop": 2931.77, "id": 582}, {"text": " but yeah to utilize POV to utilize PBS resources eyes on the prize I know as a", "start": 2933.43, "stop": 2939.45, "id": 583}, {"text": " series literally changed my entire life watching it in college um it changed my", "start": 2939.45, "stop": 2943.71, "id": 584}, {"text": " entire career trajectory and I think that these are important social cultural and", "start": 2943.71, "stop": 2948.47, "id": 585}, {"text": " historical resources that we continue to make available and bring into our", "start": 2948.47, "stop": 2951.89, "id": 586}, {"text": " classrooms there is some piece about remembering that there are people on the", "start": 2951.89, "stop": 2956.21, "id": 587}, {"text": " other side like to say like POV is a small organization you know um a national", "start": 2956.21, "stop": 2961.27, "id": 588}, {"text": " arts organization but small is to also remember that like 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3034.13, "id": 603}, {"text": " um compensate people for those those tremendous gifts and you know in some ways", "start": 3034.13, "stop": 3039.77, "id": 604}, {"text": " there's there's no possible way of doing so but something that also happened", "start": 3039.77, "stop": 3043.17, "id": 605}, {"text": " simultaneously I think after artists started doing this is that certain", "start": 3043.17, "stop": 3045.95, "id": 606}, {"text": " institutions started making their collections more available and and many for", "start": 3045.95, "stop": 3051.67, "id": 607}, {"text": " just the limited a limited moment in the pandemic oh all museums are closed so", "start": 3051.67, "stop": 3056.49, "id": 608}, {"text": " here we'll we'll give you access to some of our collections so you can engage", "start": 3056.49, "stop": 3060.57, "id": 609}, {"text": " with with art at home but again this was really um transformative not just for", "start": 3060.57, "stop": 3066.35, "id": 610}, {"text": " teaching but I know for some of my students for research rather than traveling to", "start": 3066.35, "stop": 3070.63, "id": 611}, {"text": " Berlin to see uh a series of video works in a collection they were able to watch", "start": 3070.63, "stop": 3075.57, "id": 612}, {"text": " it at home and while going to Berlin is really fun they also saved a huge amount", "start": 3075.57, "stop": 3079.67, "id": 613}, {"text": " of money and were able to repeatedly watch something while writing their", "start": 3079.67, "stop": 3082.63, "id": 614}, {"text": " dissertation chapter and and often there's this this thought that digital media", "start": 3082.63, "stop": 3087.69, "id": 615}, {"text": " and electronic media and video and film are easily accessible especially in the", "start": 3087.69, "stop": 3091.67, "id": 616}, {"text": " arts and and they're not they're very hard hard to see and hard to to encounter", "start": 3091.67, "stop": 3096.93, "id": 617}, {"text": " um and they often require kind of traveling across the world sometimes to see", "start": 3096.93, "stop": 3101.95, "id": 618}, {"text": " something just if you know in a few runs in a private screening room in the back", "start": 3101.95, "stop": 3105.55, "id": 619}, {"text": " of a gallery and so there have been some really positive I think gestures um by", "start": 3105.55, "stop": 3111.45, "id": 620}, {"text": " institutions uh making work available during the pandemic but again it seems like", "start": 3111.45, "stop": 3116.91, "id": 621}, {"text": " a limited limited time offer uh for for a lot of them not all but but but some um", "start": 3116.91, "stop": 3123.41, "id": 622}, {"text": " but again I as an a teacher who's constantly changing what she she teaches each", "start": 3123.41, "stop": 3129.83, "id": 623}, {"text": " semester um it's very hard to understand how to you know figure out ways to", "start": 3129.83, "stop": 3135.91, "id": 624}, {"text": " compensate individual artists that aren't part of larger kind of um distribution", "start": 3135.91, "stop": 3139.95, "id": 625}, {"text": " organizations um and I think that that's something that we could be working", "start": 3139.95, "stop": 3145.39, "id": 626}, {"text": " together with artists and institutions on right now I mean we could be looking at", "start": 3145.39, "stop": 3149.49, "id": 627}, {"text": " things like what does a model license look like for one of these artists Chris is", "start": 3149.49, "stop": 3153.27, "id": 628}, {"text": " talking about to sell their content to an organization and what kinds of", "start": 3153.27, "stop": 3158.03, "id": 629}, {"text": " constraints might they want to put into that contract so that you know their work", "start": 3158.03, "stop": 3162.43, "id": 630}, {"text": " is being accessible to the students who need it but there's there's a set of fair", "start": 3162.43, "stop": 3166.85, "id": 631}, {"text": " constraints around how an organization can use that so that that artist can still", "start": 3166.85, "stop": 3171.33, "id": 632}, {"text": " continue to um monetize that work in whatever other ways are available to them", "start": 3171.33, "stop": 3176.63, "id": 633}, {"text": " and I think that that's some a role that our institutions can really play so that", "start": 3176.63, "stop": 3180.61, "id": 634}, {"text": " you know a distributor can go to POV and say we want to have the POV name over it", "start": 3180.61, "stop": 3184.71, "id": 635}, {"text": " but you know maybe I also want to make this available for purchase myself as an", "start": 3184.71, "stop": 3188.35, "id": 636}, {"text": " independent filmmaker for other kinds of institutions that might want to put it", "start": 3188.35, "stop": 3192.35, "id": 637}, {"text": " in their collections and that's something that they think is really important I", "start": 3192.35, "stop": 3196.31, "id": 638}, {"text": " do think that on the commercial side when we're talking about I want to teach", "start": 3196.31, "stop": 3199.41, "id": 639}, {"text": " Disney films and I'm working with an online class around this right now that that", "start": 3199.41, "stop": 3203.27, "id": 640}, {"text": " the advocacy that our organizations and that we as individuals can do around", "start": 3203.27, "stop": 3207.43, "id": 641}, {"text": " digital for sale is really critical for that um because you know as Chris was", "start": 3207.43, "stop": 3212.17, "id": 642}, {"text": " saying the reality is is when you start talking about that five dollar app Disney", "start": 3212.17, "stop": 3216.09, "id": 643}, {"text": " plus subscription plus that ten dollar Netflix subscription plus you have to have", "start": 3216.09, "stop": 3220.45, "id": 644}, {"text": " it for the whole semester because students do need to re-watch these things and", "start": 3220.45, "stop": 3224.47, "id": 645}, {"text": " you know now you've got what's 150 dollars worth of digital subscriptions the", "start": 3224.47, "stop": 3229.51, "id": 646}, {"text": " student has to participate in just to access their course content which at the", "start": 3229.51, "stop": 3233.33, "id": 647}, {"text": " end of the semester is completely gone to them when those subscriptions expire so", "start": 3233.33, "stop": 3237.31, "id": 648}, {"text": " I think that we need to continue to think about what our bigger picture advocacy", "start": 3237.31, "stop": 3242.17, "id": 649}, {"text": " is for potential legislative solutions that'll help address that. 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"id": 657}, {"text": " alternatives that were collectively understood and and held as shared values", "start": 3286.29, "stop": 3292.11, "id": 658}, {"text": " I think would be very interesting.", "start": 3292.11, "stop": 3293.85, "id": 659}, {"text": " How do we um it seems like this is is is a conversation that needs to be uh", "start": 3293.85, "stop": 3300.39, "id": 660}, {"text": " broad and needs to be deep and needs to happen soon how can we move in that", "start": 3300.39, "stop": 3306.03, "id": 661}, {"text": " direction what would what would our thoughtful panelists suggest about taking", "start": 3306.03, "stop": 3311.81, "id": 662}, {"text": " this to another taking this to a higher level?", "start": 3311.81, "stop": 3315.51, "id": 663}, {"text": " One thing I would suggest from the top is that one voice that is missing in this", "start": 3318.23, "stop": 3323.15, "id": 664}, {"text": " conversation is the voice of students that we're talking about and I think that", 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some of these goals I think especially the licensing piece seems", "start": 3365.95, "stop": 3370.05, "id": 673}, {"text": " really achievable to me and I know that many organizations have their own", "start": 3370.05, "stop": 3373.85, "id": 674}, {"text": " licenses going on around right now with individual filmmakers and musicians and", "start": 3373.85, "stop": 3377.99, "id": 675}, {"text": " composers but I think if we could have some models that we could get endorsed", "start": 3377.99, "stop": 3382.67, "id": 676}, {"text": " through you know like CLEAR already has their model license for journal", "start": 3382.67, "stop": 3386.89, "id": 677}, {"text": " subscriptions there are other library organizations that could work together with", "start": 3386.89, "stop": 3391.43, "id": 678}, {"text": " I think some of these creators organizations much like the best practices", "start": 3391.43, "stop": 3395.51, "id": 679}, {"text": " documents that you know came up out of work with CAA and now CAA has moved a lot", "start": 3395.51, "stop": 3400.45, "id": 680}, {"text": " of that into their workflow with their own publications so if we can work", "start": 3400.45, "stop": 3403.71, "id": 681}, {"text": " together with organizations that creators are part of and come up with some", "start": 3403.71, "stop": 3408.21, "id": 682}, {"text": " things that we feel are going to meet their needs from a financial and market", "start": 3408.21, "stop": 3411.97, "id": 683}, {"text": " perspective and our needs from an educational mission perspective I think that", "start": 3411.97, "stop": 3416.51, "id": 684}, {"text": " that would be really interesting and I'd be really interested in anybody who", "start": 3416.51, "stop": 3419.63, "id": 685}, {"text": " might want to join those conversations.", "start": 3419.63, "stop": 3421.33, "id": 686}, {"text": " I have had increasingly positive I think um interactions with upper", "start": 3424.07, "stop": 3429.87, "id": 687}, {"text": " administration around these issues in recent years especially as it's become", "start": 3429.87, "stop": 3433.85, "id": 688}, {"text": " clear that diversity and inclusion issues are attached to this that it's not just", "start": 3433.85, "stop": 3438.45, "id": 689}, {"text": " the arts wanting a ridiculous share of funding pay for films and things like that", "start": 3438.45, "stop": 3444.57, "id": 690}, {"text": " whereas Kathleen was pointing out you know often these requests aren't seen as", "start": 3444.57, "stop": 3450.11, "id": 691}, {"text": " valuable or productive in comparison to stem requests for library resources and", "start": 3450.11, "stop": 3455.71, "id": 692}, {"text": " things like that but but realizing that this has a huge impact on the way that", "start": 3455.71, "stop": 3459.91, "id": 693}, {"text": " we're able to educate our students as citizens and citizens in a in a diverse", "start": 3459.91, "stop": 3464.73, "id": 694}, {"text": " world with complex issues that they need to encounter I think that I've been", "start": 3464.73, "stop": 3469.51, "id": 695}, {"text": " increasingly encouraged by how administrators and deans and people in the upper", "start": 3469.51, "stop": 3476.17, "id": 696}, {"text": " ranks are able to kind of focus on on these as real issues and not just kind of", "start": 3476.17, "stop": 3482.47, "id": 697}, {"text": " preference of what what certain faculty members want to teach and and I think", "start": 3482.47, "stop": 3487.61, "id": 698}, {"text": " that seeing that as the benefit to the students just individually but also to the", "start": 3487.61, "stop": 3492.13, "id": 699}, {"text": " larger campus community is something that you know I've been particularly", "start": 3492.13, "stop": 3497.79, "id": 700}, {"text": " encouraged around and I wish I had more solutions for how to get to", "start": 3497.79, "stop": 3504.21, "id": 701}, {"text": " kinds of work that are hard to access or that are from other countries where", "start": 3504.21, "stop": 3509.33, "id": 702}, {"text": " licensing is not as easy to get because it seems like the showing of personal", "start": 3509.33, "stop": 3514.51, "id": 703}, {"text": " copies is which was the solution we all used previously is moving further and", "start": 3514.51, "stop": 3520.41, "id": 704}, {"text": " further off the table. Something I thought that was a very exciting", "start": 3520.41, "stop": 3526.87, "id": 705}, {"text": " development a few months ago was a black curator built a virtual archive of black", "start": 3526.87, "stop": 3532.65, "id": 706}, {"text": " cinema online where they pointed to works that were available sometimes for free", "start": 3532.65, "stop": 3539.07, "id": 707}, {"text": " often through commercial services but pulled information together in a really", "start": 3539.07, "stop": 3544.29, "id": 708}, {"text": " really important example of individual curation and made work more accessible", "start": 3544.29, "stop": 3548.57, "id": 709}, {"text": " daylighted work that people might know where to find and if there are means to", "start": 3548.57, "stop": 3554.01, "id": 710}, {"text": " develop a licensable or free repository we can expect that there will be a lot", "start": 3554.01, "stop": 3560.99, "id": 711}, {"text": " more we can share syllabi we can share playlists we can share retrospectives this", "start": 3560.99, "stop": 3567.77, "id": 712}, {"text": " already is happening to some degree but but there would be so much more I think", "start": 3567.77, "stop": 3571.97, "id": 713}, {"text": " there's a link to it from from Mike Michon in the chat.", "start": 3571.97, "stop": 3577.43, "id": 714}, {"text": " So we are approaching I think a good time for", "start": 3578.89, "stop": 3585.23, "id": 715}, {"text": " Q&A.", "start": 3585.23, "stop": 3586.83, "id": 716}, {"text": " How are we going to do this Jenny? So I have been taking notes on many of the", "start": 3588.51, "stop": 3595.45, "id": 717}, {"text": " questions that have come up and thank you so much for a really thoughtful and", "start": 3595.45, "stop": 3599.65, "id": 718}, {"text": " invigorating discussion in the chat as well and I actually if it's okay Rick I'm", "start": 3599.65, "stop": 3606.09, "id": 719}, {"text": " going to throw it back to you for a second as our moderator and ask you you know", "start": 3606.09, "stop": 3610.97, "id": 720}, {"text": " from a filmmaker's perspective in particular and also someone who's an archivist", "start": 3610.97, "stop": 3615.77, "id": 721}, {"text": " and an academic who's worked with libraries and worked with these publics that", "start": 3615.77, "stop": 3621.69, "id": 722}, {"text": " Courtney in many ways was talking about throughout your career you know some of", "start": 3621.69, "stop": 3626.63, "id": 723}, {"text": " the questions that came up were around questions of hosting for example like how", "start": 3626.63, "stop": 3630.65, "id": 724}, {"text": " can how can a library host these materials when already resource strapped when", "start": 3630.65, "stop": 3636.71, "id": 725}, {"text": " peer institutions are moving towards streaming when maybe the kinds of resources", "start": 3636.71, "stop": 3640.75, "id": 726}, {"text": " for the kind of ownership we're talking about might not be as readily available", "start": 3640.75, "stop": 3645.11, "id": 727}, {"text": " I'm wondering you know as a filmmaker who you know works in a variety of media", "start": 3645.11, "stop": 3651.43, "id": 728}, {"text": " and works with a variety of libraries how have you navigated this question of", "start": 3651.43, "stop": 3657.81, "id": 729}, {"text": " ownership and of compensation and of frankly fairness within your own work and", "start": 3657.81, "stop": 3664.81, "id": 730}, {"text": " then I'm going to also ask Kathleen if you could give a little bit of a corollary", "start": 3664.81, "stop": 3667.89, "id": 731}, {"text": " about the kind of work that you're doing at Johns Hopkins as a library to uplift", "start": 3667.89, "stop": 3672.41, "id": 732}, {"text": " new composers and to work with different kinds of of music both as libraries", "start": 3672.41, "stop": 3677.95, "id": 733}, {"text": " publisher as well as library as a provider of access I made my first film", "start": 3677.95, "stop": 3684.83, "id": 734}, {"text": " in 2004 and I instantly put it online as a you know I disclose I'm a board member", "start": 3684.83, "stop": 3691.59, "id": 735}, {"text": " of internet archive and I support as as much as possible universal access to", "start": 3691.59, "stop": 3697.81, "id": 736}, {"text": " media and I worked with material that was in public domain and shortly after that", "start": 3697.81, "stop": 3702.93, "id": 737}, {"text": " I ran into a programmer for a major film festival at a party and this programmer", "start": 3702.93, "stop": 3708.03, "id": 738}, {"text": " screamed at me and said why did you put your film online I wanted to program it", "start": 3708.03, "stop": 3713.23, "id": 739}, {"text": " and now I can't and it really a deep hostility and misunderstanding", "start": 3713.23, "stop": 3719.97, "id": 740}, {"text": " this was 2004 but at the same time the film got into Rotterdam and it got into", "start": 3719.97, "stop": 3725.23, "id": 741}, {"text": " many many other key film festivals and I was convinced that you could actually", "start": 3725.23, "stop": 3729.63, "id": 742}, {"text": " have one's cake and eat it too this was an option for me it was not an option for", "start": 3729.63, "stop": 3734.73, "id": 743}, {"text": " many many filmmakers who are indebted to investors who have expensive you know", "start": 3734.73, "stop": 3740.73, "id": 744}, {"text": " step ups if they need to purchase rights for online dissemination I just think we", "start": 3740.73, "stop": 3747.69, "id": 745}, {"text": " need to make an easier path I don't think there's a path it should be as simple", "start": 3747.69, "stop": 3752.21, "id": 746}, {"text": " as makers checking off boxes and saying you know I'm authorized to for this", "start": 3752.21, "stop": 3759.07, "id": 747}, {"text": " I'm I can authorize this film to be to be made available here here here and here", "start": 3759.07, "stop": 3764.05, "id": 748}, {"text": " I need help raising funds to to be able to do it here here here and here and if", "start": 3764.05, "stop": 3770.21, "id": 749}, {"text": " there's a way to do it where we're not creating a situation where people will", "start": 3770.21, "stop": 3775.79, "id": 750}, {"text": " just check the minimum and let the minimum standard be the maximum standard that", "start": 3775.79, "stop": 3780.05, "id": 751}, {"text": " if we can encourage people to be as expansive as possible about distribution", "start": 3780.05, "stop": 3784.19, "id": 752}, {"text": " after a theatrical window after a festival window maybe after a contractual tv", "start": 3784.19, "stop": 3790.07, "id": 753}, {"text": " window if this is an option for every filmmaker just as natural as filling out a", "start": 3790.07, "stop": 3796.35, "id": 754}, {"text": " copyright form might be then I think we're getting somewhere and we can have some", "start": 3796.35, "stop": 3801.87, "id": 755}, {"text": " really interesting conversations I think about what those boxes might be but make", "start": 3801.87, "stop": 3807.13, "id": 756}, {"text": " it really easy Creative Commons tried to do that where you check boxes to to", "start": 3807.13, "stop": 3812.05, "id": 757}, {"text": " figure out what license you want if you if you go for Creative Commons but", "start": 3812.05, "stop": 3816.27, "id": 758}, {"text": " honestly I think that's a little complicated and people didn't quite understand", "start": 3816.27, "stop": 3820.29, "id": 759}, {"text": " the legal ramifications we can do better", "start": 3820.29, "stop": 3823.49, "id": 760}, {"text": " I think that I agree with Rick and I think that we also though need to be", "start": 3829.03, "stop": 3835.11, "id": 761}, {"text": " thinking about what kinds of progressive models we can put into place I think", "start": 3835.11, "stop": 3840.19, "id": 762}, {"text": " even in the open access space where I spend a lot of time we there's been kind of", "start": 3840.19, "stop": 3843.91, "id": 763}, {"text": " this like one size fits all sort of approach to things I think as your different", "start": 3843.91, "stop": 3848.57, "id": 764}, {"text": " publishers look at what's what is an APC it's going to be one thing or even the", "start": 3848.57, "stop": 3852.05, "id": 765}, {"text": " tone project for to support open access book publishing it's one kind of one fee", "start": 3852.05, "stop": 3857.47, "id": 766}, {"text": " of what we're going to do with that and I think that that's an attempt to try to", "start": 3857.47, "stop": 3862.09, "id": 767}, {"text": " to make things so that all institutions and organizations can participate but I", "start": 3862.09, "stop": 3866.29, "id": 768}, {"text": " think that the reality is pointing back to some of Courtney's comments earlier", "start": 3866.29, "stop": 3870.23, "id": 769}, {"text": " today some of our institutions have more resources and can subsidize some of", "start": 3870.23, "stop": 3874.51, "id": 770}, {"text": " these things to a greater extent than other organizations and I think that you", "start": 3874.51, "stop": 3878.91, "id": 771}, {"text": " know Knowledge Unlaunched had I think some success with this on the the", "start": 3878.91, "stop": 3883.91, "id": 772}, {"text": " publishing front and I think that we need to spend more time looking at those", "start": 3883.91, "stop": 3886.85, "id": 773}, {"text": " kinds of models for what investment looks like and I know when I'm sitting down", "start": 3886.85, "stop": 3891.25, "id": 774}, {"text": " thinking about if I want to put more funds into more subscriptions like Canopy or", "start": 3891.25, "stop": 3895.95, "id": 775}, {"text": " Swank versus a program that might be at POV where I could be supporting the", "start": 3895.95, "stop": 3900.71, "id": 776}, {"text": " creation of more independent content and diverse voices I'm going to try", "start": 3900.71, "stop": 3905.23, "id": 777}, {"text": " everything I can to put my money towards that POV project so I think that there's", "start": 3905.23, "stop": 3910.17, "id": 778}, {"text": " more of these kinds of conversations happening at our institutions than ever", "start": 3910.17, "stop": 3913.01, "id": 779}, {"text": " before I'm a little bit less optimistic than Rick about checking a box being as", "start": 3913.01, "stop": 3918.09, "id": 780}, {"text": " natural as filling out a copyright registration for most filmmakers and that's", "start": 3918.09, "stop": 3922.39, "id": 781}, {"text": " why I'm kind I'm enthusiastic about the idea of what a model license might look", "start": 3922.39, "stop": 3926.17, "id": 782}, {"text": " like because if we can give them you know everything out of the box I think that", "start": 3926.17, "stop": 3930.45, "id": 783}, {"text": " that could be a really useful tool for a lot of independent artists as they're", "start": 3930.45, "stop": 3934.49, "id": 784}, {"text": " trying to think about what they do and there was a comment in the chat about NFTs", "start": 3934.49, "stop": 3938.17, "id": 785}, {"text": " and I think that that's an interesting space but I don't know that we need to go", "start": 3938.17, "stop": 3940.95, "id": 786}, {"text": " that far and add another layer of administration into this conversation I think", "start": 3940.95, "stop": 3946.89, "id": 787}, {"text": " that ultimately it's going to be a bigger shift in the economies and markets of", "start": 3946.89, "stop": 3953.71, "id": 788}, {"text": " creating of creating and producing creative work that's going to that's going to", "start": 3953.71, "stop": 3957.77, "id": 789}, {"text": " happen it's going to be much bigger than just NFTs and blockchain so this is my", "start": 3957.77, "stop": 3961.61, "id": 790}, {"text": " personal opinion I'm sure that there's other kinds of things somebody asked me to", "start": 3961.61, "stop": 3965.49, "id": 791}, {"text": " define NFTs non-fungible tokens so it's a way to purchase digital photos arts", "start": 3965.49, "stop": 3971.21, "id": 792}, {"text": " other kinds of digital content or really it's a contract really yeah it's like", "start": 3971.21, "stop": 3976.81, "id": 793}, {"text": " it's to say that you own it you don't really actually get to control it or lock", "start": 3976.81, "stop": 3981.13, "id": 794}, {"text": " it down or anything else it is interesting how NFTs are encouraging artists to", "start": 3981.13, "stop": 3987.23, "id": 795}, {"text": " say like oh well I can part of this contract can determine like who gets a", "start": 3987.23, "stop": 3991.63, "id": 796}, {"text": " percentage of the resale cost or things like that and so maybe maybe I I'm not", "start": 3991.63, "stop": 3996.79, "id": 797}, {"text": " endorsing using NFTs for this but thinking about contracts and thinking about", "start": 3996.79, "stop": 4000.63, "id": 798}, {"text": " them in maybe innovative ways is something that's happening in in the wake of or", "start": 4000.63, "stop": 4006.83, "id": 799}, {"text": " becomes more possible in the wake of NFTs that that something could be freely", "start": 4006.83, "stop": 4010.93, "id": 800}, {"text": " available to libraries while still retaining rights in other ways or or even", "start": 4010.93, "stop": 4016.81, "id": 801}, {"text": " programming in a way that one gets paid automatically and the idea that ownership", "start": 4016.81, "stop": 4022.65, "id": 802}, {"text": " right or in the other interesting piece about NFTs is that ownership does it", "start": 4023.27, "stop": 4028.75, "id": 803}, {"text": " changes the idea of what ownership is for people right to say that you own an NFT", "start": 4028.75, "stop": 4032.49, "id": 804}, {"text": " doesn't mean that you have a complete lock on every digital copy of that I mean", "start": 4032.49, "stop": 4036.59, "id": 805}, {"text": " we all know that that's not realistic so um I think that that's a really great", "start": 4036.59, "stop": 4041.09, "id": 806}, {"text": " point that that could be a way for us to crack open that conversation and get", "start": 4041.09, "stop": 4046.07, "id": 807}, {"text": " folks to be rethinking things outside of these long traditions of certain kinds", "start": 4046.07, "stop": 4049.95, "id": 808}, {"text": " of contracts that we've been working within for a long time I mean I'm", "start": 4049.95, "stop": 4055.67, "id": 809}, {"text": " remembering when you those cereal boxes had those offers where you would get a", "start": 4055.67, "stop": 4059.45, "id": 810}, {"text": " square inch of land on the moon and in a lot of ways that you know that that", "start": 4059.45, "stop": 4064.19, "id": 811}, {"text": " reminds me a bit of NFTs but also NFTs are a way of creating digital scarcity", "start": 4064.19, "stop": 4070.09, "id": 812}, {"text": " when what we want to do as educators and as librarians is bring about digital", "start": 4070.09, "stop": 4075.77, "id": 813}, {"text": " abundance abundance of of knowledge there was a comment a question from Lorraine", "start": 4075.77, "stop": 4082.41, "id": 814}, {"text": " in the in the Q&A about the difficulty of getting rights from films especially", "start": 4082.41, "stop": 4088.23, "id": 815}, {"text": " from South America and Africa and I think this is really an opportunity if we", "start": 4088.23, "stop": 4093.01, "id": 816}, {"text": " think about um easing terms of of licensing and making them a little more", "start": 4093.01, "stop": 4098.17, "id": 817}, {"text": " inclusive it's a it's a route towards global media justice of a sort making sure", "start": 4098.17, "stop": 4103.69, "id": 818}, {"text": " that it's easier to see these works my colleagues who teach Chicano cinema it's", "start": 4103.69, "stop": 4110.43, "id": 819}, {"text": " very very difficult to obtain not just rights but even materials on on important", "start": 4110.43, "stop": 4116.99, "id": 820}, {"text": " films from Mexico and the borderlands and so some sort I hope that", "start": 4116.99, "stop": 4123.51, "id": 821}, {"text": " discussions would lead towards a system that ultimately began to engulf much more", "start": 4123.51, "stop": 4129.95, "id": 822}, {"text": " material and make it more available so that we can have more diverse curricula.", "start": 4129.95, "stop": 4136.43, "id": 823}, {"text": " At the risk of running over just one one last question that might be a little bit", "start": 4138.51, "stop": 4144.09, "id": 824}, {"text": " self-serving to relate to a lot of the really excellent resources that people", "start": 4144.09, "stop": 4148.35, "id": 825}, {"text": " brought up in for example", "start": 4148.35, "stop": 4154.71, "id": 826}, {"text": " other kinds of communities of practice around media resources in", "start": 4154.71, "stop": 4161.71, "id": 827}, {"text": " libraries and again at the risk of of sounding a little self-serving you know", "start": 4161.71, "stop": 4167.87, "id": 828}, {"text": " what what role do you feel that coalitions play in this work so for example", "start": 4167.87, "stop": 4173.77, "id": 829}, {"text": " somebody made a comment in the chat that they have as a library negotiated", "start": 4173.77, "stop": 4179.15, "id": 830}, {"text": " individual contracts with some filmmakers but it's very time consuming again a", "start": 4179.15, "stop": 4184.39, "id": 831}, {"text": " couple people pointed to the difficulties of hosting your own and you know one of", "start": 4184.39, "stop": 4188.61, "id": 832}, {"text": " the reasons why people choose streaming is convenience is they get just a big", "start": 4188.61, "stop": 4192.21, "id": 833}, {"text": " chunk of stuff and they don't have to necessarily purchase it one-on-one so I'm", "start": 4192.21, "stop": 4197.35, "id": 834}, {"text": " wondering from your perspective you know what do what are joined-up approaches", "start": 4197.35, "stop": 4202.27, "id": 835}, {"text": " really provide somebody a couple of people have commented University of Colorado", "start": 4202.27, "stop": 4206.11, "id": 836}, {"text": " for example and and other people have commented that they that they work in", "start": 4206.11, "stop": 4209.85, "id": 837}, {"text": " sorcha so what what role would a you know like basically how can we do this", "start": 4209.85, "stop": 4216.03, "id": 838}, {"text": " together and if this is something that we value is is greater global media equity", "start": 4216.03, "stop": 4222.13, "id": 839}, {"text": " which I love as a concept you know where would you all see next steps", "start": 4222.13, "stop": 4227.73, "id": 840}, {"text": " I I would love to know what other universities are doing and I'm seeing that in", "start": 4229.67, "stop": 4233.83, "id": 841}, {"text": " the chat but one even in my own informal kind of polling of colleagues I have in", "start": 4233.83, "stop": 4238.07, "id": 842}, {"text": " different institutions there's some reluctance sometimes to talk exactly about", "start": 4238.07, "stop": 4242.21, "id": 843}, {"text": " what their university is doing either because it's such a piecemeal approach or", "start": 4242.21, "stop": 4245.67, "id": 844}, {"text": " because a lot of instructors are doing things that wouldn't be officially", "start": 4245.67, "stop": 4248.47, "id": 845}, {"text": " endorsed in in any way and so kind of I I see you know a first step there to be", "start": 4248.47, "stop": 4254.81, "id": 846}, {"text": " under to be in understanding what other universities are doing and where there", "start": 4254.81, "stop": 4258.77, "id": 847}, {"text": " might be um advantage to joining up together and figuring out the kinds of", "start": 4258.77, "stop": 4265.43, "id": 848}, {"text": " solutions um and arrangements and contracts that universities have negotiated", "start": 4265.43, "stop": 4270.71, "id": 849}, {"text": " because I've I've found a lot of um kind of smoke around discussions of of what", "start": 4270.71, "stop": 4277.61, "id": 850}, {"text": " actually other universities are doing and so that first step I feel like would be", "start": 4277.61, "stop": 4284.01, "id": 851}, {"text": " really important for me because we had a hard time finding it out here", "start": 4284.01, "stop": 4286.71, "id": 852}, {"text": " other uh Kathleen thoughts about that perhaps", "start": 4291.33, "stop": 4294.31, "id": 853}, {"text": " I think if we can have some some shared ground rules around what is going to", "start": 4297.37, "stop": 4304.09, "id": 854}, {"text": " be advantageous and work for content creators and what's going to work for our", "start": 4304.09, "stop": 4307.69, "id": 855}, {"text": " institutions then we can think about what that scale-up process looks like um I", "start": 4307.69, "stop": 4312.91, "id": 856}, {"text": " could see a a service in the future where you know maybe a source of libraries", "start": 4312.91, "stop": 4319.06, "id": 857}, {"text": " has a hosting platform and you know the way that the authentication works is the", "start": 4319.06, "stop": 4325.14, "id": 858}, {"text": " contents available to whichever libraries have paid into accessing that content", "start": 4325.14, "stop": 4330.62, "id": 859}, {"text": " so I think that those kinds of models um will come but I think we need to find a", "start": 4330.62, "stop": 4336.46, "id": 860}, {"text": " way to be able to get the content first in our organizations before we can start", "start": 4336.46, "stop": 4340.98, "id": 861}, {"text": " building momentum around infrastructure then for broader access", "start": 4340.98, "stop": 4343.92, "id": 862}, {"text": " one thing we may be able to do is build on uh freely licensed content which", "start": 4347.82, "stop": 4353.52, "id": 863}, {"text": " already exists in the open education space in the creative common space and work", "start": 4353.52, "stop": 4359.02, "id": 864}, {"text": " that people voluntarily upload to to internet archive um there's a lot there but", "start": 4359.02, "stop": 4365.84, "id": 865}, {"text": " it's um there aren't a lot of uh of good tools to it's not very discoverable", "start": 4365.84, "stop": 4371.24, "id": 866}, {"text": " Courtney do you want the the final comment? Well I'm just thinking of this again", "start": 4373.679999999999, "stop": 4379.28, "id": 867}, {"text": " like from a different kind of space but thinking again that it's just us right", "start": 4379.28, "stop": 4383.5, "id": 868}, {"text": " here who are talking and then we have this chat and it seems like an interesting", "start": 4383.5, "stop": 4389.36, "id": 869}, {"text": " like kind of stepping back first step would be uh to like register complaint like", "start": 4389.36, "stop": 4395.24, "id": 870}, {"text": " a collective space sincerely to say like and here's the problem I'm experiencing", "start": 4395.24, "stop": 4399.58, "id": 871}, {"text": " and here's before we say like here's what my institution is doing because I for", "start": 4399.58, "stop": 4403.94, "id": 872}, {"text": " one when I'm at a university and I'm when I you know oh yeah when I'm at a", "start": 4403.94, "stop": 4408.08, "id": 873}, {"text": " university I don't really want to follow the lead of the institution because the", "start": 4408.08, "stop": 4411.02, "id": 874}, {"text": " institution is already going to be doing some incredibly problematic stuff so it", "start": 4411.02, "stop": 4415.18, "id": 875}, {"text": " would be an interest it's an interesting thought that's what I was just thinking", "start": 4415.18, "stop": 4418.22, "id": 876}, {"text": " like to have a collective space where educators and students are registering", "start": 4418.22, "stop": 4422.28, "id": 877}, {"text": " complaint around access and then that kind of complaint can be synthesized and", "start": 4422.28, "stop": 4426.72, "id": 878}, {"text": " the problem itself can be known more intimately or the problems themselves can be", "start": 4426.72, "stop": 4430.88, "id": 879}, {"text": " known more intimately before solution-based thinking models stuff happen maybe a", "start": 4430.88, "stop": 4437.42, "id": 880}, {"text": " bad idea but could be fun that is an excellent uh way to wrap up", "start": 4437.42, "stop": 4444.28, "id": 881}, {"text": " because that is in many ways what uh why we are kicking this off as library", "start": 4444.28, "stop": 4448.74, "id": 882}, {"text": " features is starting to build communities of practice around these questions if", "start": 4448.74, "stop": 4452.7, "id": 883}, {"text": " you are interested in that work please get in touch I'll put our email address in", "start": 4452.7, "stop": 4458.36, "id": 884}, {"text": " the chat you can tweet at us you can facebook message us many ways to get in", "start": 4458.36, "stop": 4462.6, "id": 885}, {"text": " touch with us I want to register an incredibly huge thank you to all of", "start": 4462.6, "stop": 4469.38, "id": 886}, {"text": " our panelists to Rick for agreeing to moderate for to Chris to Courtney and to", "start": 4469.38, "stop": 4476.38, "id": 887}, {"text": " Kathleen it's been a delight to work with all of you and it's going to continue", "start": 4476.38, "stop": 4481.06, "id": 888}, {"text": " to be a delight to continue to work with all of you I really really appreciate it", "start": 4481.06, "stop": 4485.78, "id": 889}, {"text": " as I'm sure to all of the participants and thank you also to the participants", "start": 4485.78, "stop": 4489.88, "id": 890}, {"text": " again for a robust discussion I learned a lot from the chat and from the", "start": 4489.88, "stop": 4496.42, "id": 891}, {"text": " panelists and I really look forward to continuing this conversation as part of", "start": 4496.42, "stop": 4501.24, "id": 892}, {"text": " library futures if you've made it this far you get to hear about our next two", "start": 4501.24, "stop": 4504.98, "id": 893}, {"text": " events which will be next week so I don't have the link yet but it will be going", "start": 4504.98, "stop": 4509.3, "id": 894}, {"text": " out over email social media and um yeah email and social media essentially", "start": 4509.3, "stop": 4516.12, "id": 895}, {"text": " and that is an event on January 18th at 1pm which", "start": 4516.12, "stop": 4522.56, "id": 896}, {"text": " is on library privacy past present and future with Allison MacRina from the", "start": 4522.56, "stop": 4528.78, "id": 897}, {"text": " library freedom project Sarah Lambden from CUNY and Spark and George Christian", "start": 4528.78, "stop": 4534.06, "id": 898}, {"text": " from Library Connection who also was one of the Connecticut four the group of", "start": 4534.06, "stop": 4539.26, "id": 899}, {"text": " librarians who stood up to the FBI against uh surveillance of their patrons back", "start": 4539.26, "stop": 4543.9, "id": 900}, {"text": " in 2000 I think 2000 or 2003 and we're really excited about that we might have a", "start": 4543.9, "stop": 4550.7, "id": 901}, {"text": " another moderator who will be announcing soon and um it's really exciting and", "start": 4550.7, "stop": 4556.06, "id": 902}, {"text": " then our second event that's coming up next week it's big week is public domain", 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{"text": " it's my favorite day of the year and I hope that it is yours as well so we are at", "start": 4599.06, "stop": 4603.62, "id": 911}, {"text": " time thank you for staying with us till the end and we look forward to hearing", "start": 4603.62, "stop": 4609.04, "id": 912}, {"text": " from you if you have any questions comments uh please do get in touch the video", "start": 4609.04, "stop": 4614.02, "id": 913}, {"text": " recording as well as all of the links from the chat will be shared out within the", "start": 4614.02, "stop": 4618.36, "id": 914}, {"text": " next week so thanks again have a good day", "start": 4618.36, "stop": 4621.34, "id": 915}]}